in the meantime, we'll look at the impact the fiscal cliff has on individual states. montana unlike many, may be facing a double whammy. not only are rising taxes a threat on households, but federal aid for things like acculture could compound the problems if we go over the cliff. >> indeed, joining us to spell out the details is montana governor schweitzer. great to have you with us. we heard from a farmer in your state. he laid out the wation and it didn't sound good at all. what do you see as the impact on your state from that? >> don't tax me. tax the guy behind the tree. that's what we're faced with. everybody wants to pay lower taxes and get more services if you're in defense, you say, we need the money. if you're in agriculture, you see we need subsidized crop insurance. where does it end? in montana, we've had eight years of -- they're not willing to do that in washington, d.c. they just kick the can down the road. >> what does it mean in terms of federal aid or reduction in federal aid if we go over the fiscal cliff and even if we don't go over the cliff, and